And with Miller and Lincoln, that has never been a problem. Miller is also extremely conservative about their ratings. My amp Syncrowave easily puts out over amps in a pinch, and everything about all my Millers is built to industrial standards. I once lost a Mlller mig welder out the back of the truck- dont ask- he doesnt work here anymore and after hammering out the sheet metal, it has worked fine for another 15 years.
Ries, Many thanks for your input. As you will know from the machines that I own and should add use daily, I really appreciate good quality stuff. They have all been good investments and have made me a lot of money. So - I understand the 'you get what you pay for' view on life! The money issue that I am struggling with here is the amount of use that I expect to get out of the welder.
Pretty limited really. Again my thanks. Interesting thread about Chinese welders. Originally Posted by ow2knives. No cigar for me. I'm still not buying one.
It's not a matter of money, features, capability or amperage. It's just a balance of trade with me. Although I'm sure that my Lincoln and Miller equipment probably has a few outsourced parts, I won't spend any more money on imported goods than I have to.
To each his or her own. Yep, lets all go buy china welders Newman and Moonlight Whilst your patriotism is appreciated and in fact shared, your comment has nothing to do with the topic. Thank you indeed. Originally Posted by Newman I think we were fairly close to the topic. You say you did some research. Now you want someone to tell you how wonderful the Chinese welding equipment is.
If you truly shared our patriotism, you wouldn't consider buying Chinese equipment in the first place. The top American welding brands , such as Lincoln and Miller , and the leading European brands, such as ESAB, are regularly the subjects of heated debates online as welders argue the merits of saving hundreds if not thousands of dollars compared to buying a brand name machine that could potentially last longer and weld better.
Many of the welders who have glowing reviews for their off-brand welding machines are also welding on the side as a hobby or small project welder. American made brands such as Miller and Lincoln are often the choice of the professional welders who noted that filling a shop with machines that will be putting in long days of fabrication makes them want a USA-made machine. Welders who are very concerned about the cost of a welding machine will often have to pick the best deal that fits their budget regardless of where the machine was manufactured.
In fact, a hobby welder on a tight budget may be the most likely to pick up a highly discounted TIG welder. Some welding companies are quick to respond to requests for help, but if your shop is depending on a replacement part to meet an important deadline, then you may choose to stick with a Miller and Lincoln that will have plentiful repair parts.
I just looked at my and also didn't see a label like that on my unit. Shootingblanks said:. Joined Mar 12, Messages 3, Location Maine. As someone else mentioned Very little if anything electrical is made in the USA Cordless Drills, Electronics of any use, etc.. Just be happy they put the stickers on here in the USA Spn Banned. Bullitt Well-known member. Joined Dec 18, Messages Joined Dec 13, Messages 7, Location Chicago burbs.
If you can get a good picture of the Chinese characters, there are online programs than can translate it. My brand new has the same stick, lays just as good of a bead as any Miller weld I have ever used. Just got off the phone with a good friend that has been working at Miller for the past 10 years or so. The is "made" in Appleton.
The windings are done here the circuit boards and housing are made here and it is definitely assembled here. But of course when you get down to the electronic component level there are parts that are made in china, i. Miller does have plants in China and they do make stuff there, but it is for the China only market and shouldn't end up on our shores. That's not really true, welding helmets are all made in China for everyone. Im surprised they say the windings and PCBs are domestic honestly.
Skin said:. Last edited: Aug 22, The handler and are used regularly in structural and misc iron work shops across the country and are aluminum capable with the spool gun. I have used miller tips, sheaths, … you name it on hobarts and vice versa. However, anytime we need more we are looking at a 3 phase machine or a stick on a generator. The hobart line is geared generally for small to midsize with greater emphasis on their mig line which makes sense based on when one would apply mig.
For greater thickness penetration in the field we use stick and for precision tig — both of which are limited in the hobart line and that is where miller makes their money. Additionally, what this post doesnt tell you is that there is virtually no functions on comp mig machines in the miller line that change things up.
The Hobart Tig is a diff story as it is minimal and does not support dc negative nor pulse which means aluminum is out and tungsten goes to crap faster.
However, if you want all that on a tig go with an AHP and you will get all the miller high end tig features for dollars. Mig machines which is the focus of hobart are meant to be simple and fast — that is why mig is popular — no one that welds for a living relies on anything beyond what the or will give you to do mig or flux mig welding. Also if you buy a miller — buy used and get an older machine with a transformer.
These machines are better than the new machines on the market since they can be tinkered with and the voltage can be changed — miller at the time used the same transformer for multiple models of the same machine and just wired them differently allowing welders to change voltage and in some cases even move from single to three phase. That is what made them popular. Transformers make the machines much heavier than the new machines. However, anyone that knows anything knows that the old machines can be fixed by anyone in about 10 minutes and worth every penny unlike many of the new machines.
If you want new and high end tig featurres go chinese so when it dies you wont care. If you want a nice mig machine go hobart, and if you want a machine that will last 50 years get a used Miller.
First, thanks of all for that great comment. I think your site is great and important to consumers, which is why I posted. There is a lot of guys and gals that do wood work that fear working with metal and I think having the info out there is important. They weigh around lbs and there are 3 versions — all run on the same transformer. Often people put the volts for sale because they think they are broken because they cant understand why they wont run on 3 phase or single phase.
For 10 dollars on a plug and a simple 10 gauge wire tap you can convert it to and run it nicely. They usually run around used. Just a great example of what is out there. I appreciate bluntness — moreover, you expanded on the topic in a very eloquent, insightful way. Do you mind if I quote you when I edit the article in the near future.
Should I refer to you as Jared, or do you have any other specific preferences?
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